Balance Thread, Part 2

Ermm...I know I posted something in reply to Unciaa, but where on earth did the post go....hmm.

The gist of it is that

1) You're assuming I can compete with Cardy, someone who has, as far as I can tell, been playing a helluva lot longer than I have.

2) You're hinging on Force being given the home field advantage, which is quite major as of this build, which changes priorities severely. I've been fire-spinned out of a fire-spin in a pyros vs pyros battle enough times to know this.

3) It's been mentioned before that Jag has a crappy range of moves. Seeing a bit more variety in Jag would be nice (fighting as him or against him just doesn't do much for me, as I get the feeling I'm playing Oni with robots and projectile moves.)

4) HAR pilots are important to consider here. Focus I have yet to see any real benefit in having due to the ever-present energy powerups. Endurance seems to have some useful value, but I prefer high agility and strength. Why? It works for me. Agility is an important part of the game, which is why Jag can at least hold his own somewhat in an extremely laggy game... despite his close-rangedness. The bot's moves alone are naturally fast, and sticking someone like Jacqueline or Tyra in there would give Jag quite a punch.

Now, to go off on a chord...One of the biggest wildcards in OMF:BG is that speedy fighters benefit heavily from the fact that the game is being played in three dimensions--in 2-D fighting games, when a player screws up a combo the other character can in virtually all situations immediately block the rest of the hits, and then retaliate after the rest of the attempted combo is finished.

In OMF:BG, if you are on someone's flank and start a combo...an easy task for a server...you can mess up the combo, and then just restart it again--which is, in reality a larger combo that occurs simply as a matter of circumstance. Removing the blocking-while-turning makes this an EXTREME problem when fighting against Jag, because with the right HAR pilots the fight can be ended almost immediately from there.

If I'm not mistaken, he's the only one who run past someone and turn-kick into someone's flank, and then secure it with f+rp or some other blow... The victim, trying to turn between blows, may find himself turn-a-porting back to the position he was first hit in due to net-code. It's not even reasonable to expect someone to be able to predict when they've turned 'just enough' to block, and let go...AND actually beat out the net-code to make the block.
With the current cast of playable characters, Jag seems to be the only one who can exploit that fully. Force's abilities are kinda cheesy when abused, yes, but bombs ARE dodgeable and Force can be damaged by his own bombs and vortices. If you're really gutsy (or just stupid) you can rush him and steal them before he can use em. If anything though, don't expect Force to be doing a 'rushdown' of his own because he just isn't suited for offensive fighting.

To Pyro's credit, if he can corner someone or catch someone there, his super fireball that can pretty much annihilate a cornered opponent then and there. So, it's not like Jag....or Force...are the only ones with some weird little uber-powered quirk. I imagine this will inadvertantly repeat itself with the other bots, but that's okay It gives them character.